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Today\u2019s special \u2013 an extensive interview with Alan M Clark<\/strong>, award-winning artist and writer, on his recent novel Fallen Giants of The Points (IFD Publishing, 2021)<\/em>, <\/span>something which should be of interest to many readers, novel writers in general, and those who use historical settings in particular.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Most <\/span>readers <\/span>will know Alan from his Jack the Ripper Victims<\/em> series, widely praised for its focus on the real women of Whitechapel in the 1880s, where their lives, their hopes and failures, are what truly matters \u2013 not the murderer. <\/span>His latest book, set some forty years before that terrible autumn and a continent away, revisits poverty and deprivation to commence a new and epic journey:<\/span><\/p>\n

A novel inspired in part by the early gangs of New York, this sprawling adventure is also a western, a coming of age story, and a tale of redemption that carries readers from the streets of infamous Five Points, New York City in the 1840s to Gold Rush era San Francisco. Told from the point of view of two dauntless orphaned children, Alta Mae and Cedric\u2026<\/span><\/em><\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

It\u2019s a rattling good read, skillfully done \u2013 we dipped in from curiosity, but found ourselves reading the whole thing through, and glad we did. So we cornered Alan and got the full story what lay behind the book \u2013 his approach, his inspirations, and his thoughts on some of the issues raised.<\/span><\/p>\n

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alan m clark<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

FALLEN GIANTS<\/h2>\n

greydog: <\/span><\/strong>Alan, welcome back to greydogtales. First of all, although we\u2019re most familiar with your powerful late Victorian fiction set in England, <\/span><\/em>Fallen Giants<\/span> seems to fall within your \u2018Early Americana\u2019 body of work, one which includes <\/span><\/em>The Door that Faced West<\/span> and <\/span><\/em>A Parliament of Crows<\/span>. Both of those books were inspired by true events \u2013<\/span><\/em> Fallen Giants<\/span> is, as far as we know, purely fictional, albeit rich with genuine period detail and historical themes. What inspired you to take this one on?<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

alan: <\/span><\/strong>I started out wanting to write a novel set, at least in part, in The Old Brewery in Five Points, New York City. The place has a role in Martin Scorsese\u2019s film, <\/span>The Gangs of New York<\/i><\/span>, but we get mere glimpses of it, and much of its character is missing. For years, I\u2019d been fascinated with The Old Brewery\u2019s history as a haven for criminals and the extremely squalid nature of the place as a tenement. While the Old Brewery was a brewery, the three-story structure had been expanded with numerous additions and ended up looking like several structures jammed haphazardly together. It became a tenement some time in the 1830s. <\/span><\/p>\n

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The descriptions of the place as a tenement beggar belief\u2014the numbers of people residing there, the debauchery, the murder rate on the premises\u2014yet all descriptions I\u2019ve found, though from different sources and worded differently, seem to be fairly consistent. To rid the city of the place, a charity bought it and razed it to the ground. I wouldn\u2019t be surprised to learn they\u2019d then sown that ground with salt to prevent another crop of criminals from growing there. If they did, it didn\u2019t work\u2014that part of New York City has bred some of the worst gang violence in history.<\/span><\/p>\n

So then I had to bone up on the criminal and political gangs of the 1840s\u2014the time period of my story\u2014in and around Five Points. The Bowery Boys and other Protestant, nativist gangs caught my attention because their politics were so similar to that of the MAGA crowd of today: Their bigotries, their use of outrageous conspiracy theories, and just bald-faced lies to manipulate people, to divide and conquer politically. In the decades following the 1840s, their politics would go a long way toward building the Know Nothing Party, a nationalist group of some power in the late 19th century.<\/p>\n

I discovered that members of the nativist gangs of New York joined up to fight the Mexicans in California during the Mexican-American War. The notion of Manifest Destiny had Americans enthralled in that time, and the idea of westward expansion had become so popular that the small number of Mexicans on the West Coast didn\u2019t stand a chance of keeping the land they\u2019d claimed as their own. Gold was discovered near the end of hostilities. When the war ended, and the New York gang members were mustered out of service, some chose to stay in California. Many Mexican civilians remained as well. Some of the white, Protestant Americans, arriving by the day along the California Trail during the Gold Rush, didn\u2019t want to share California with the brown, Catholic, Spanish-speaking people. The Nativist Gang members who had stayed saw an opportunity in that. They formed a new gang called the Hounds, and hired themselves out to merchants and politicians as a private security force to run the Mexican\u2019s out of the area.<\/p>\n

With all that, I decided I\u2019d found the historical bones of the tale I wanted to tell. Now I just had to create characters to move around in it and help me \u201csee\u201d the terrain of that history and the story that might unfold within it.<\/p>\n

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other americana also from alan<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

greydog:<\/strong> How did you settle on telling the tale from the point of view of two children, the girl, Alta Mae, and her younger brother, Cedric, rather than the adults?<\/em><\/p>\n

alan:<\/strong><\/em> I needed characters that could represent young America herself. The orphaned children emerge from the cultural melting pot of New York City. They are innocents in a lot of ways, not worldly, but canny children of the streets with pluck. Like many orphaned children of that time, they were concerned with keeping their liberty rather than working in the service of others, either as adopted children required to labor for a household or farm, or sold through contract as labor for some industry. They engage in criminal behavior to survive on the street, but are not heartless and cruel. Many of those aspects of their characters speak to me of early Americans in general, a downtrodden and flawed but capable bunch, with strange notions about gaining and keeping their liberty, a sizable share of them with criminal backgrounds.<\/p>\n

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Photo by Jacob Riis. The photo was created in the 1880s. That shows that the plight of homeless children was not addressed for decades in New York City.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

greydog:<\/strong> The children are as young as five and seven when the story begins. What was it like trying to depict a child\u2019s thinking and motivations? Presumably you were able to draw on the fact that children exposed to such harsh conditions had to develop a degree of \u2018know-how\u2019 just to survive \u2013 more than sheltered or advantaged children.<\/em><\/p>\n

alan:<\/strong><\/em> Yes, I think we like and respect them because they are toughened enough by their experience growing up in Five Points to be rather fearless. That toughness was handy while considering what they\u2019d be willing to do in dire circumstances, of which there are many in the narrative.<\/p>\n

In writing from a child\u2019s perspective, I try to narrow the scope of my understanding of what they encounter, as if I only have their experience to draw on. They make simpler connection in understanding than I might, ones that are often naive, or even laughable, depending on their age. In communicating with others, they more often take people literally. Here\u2019s an exchange of dialogue that might demonstrate that last idea:<\/p>\n

Adult<\/u><\/span>: \u201cPlease accept my condolences.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

Child<\/u><\/span>: Not knowing what condolences were, I thought he would hand me something. Like a goosecap, I just stood there looking at him, waiting. A moment passed before he nodded and walked away.<\/span><\/p>\n

Since they age by several years in the course of the narrative, I had to adjust my approach to depicting them as the tale progressed, to allow for the greater understanding that they gain over time.<\/p>\n

greydog:<\/strong> The chapters alternate between the point of view of Alta Mae and that of Cedric. Did this arise as a method of revealing different aspects of the overall story, or for other reasons\u2014and were you ever tempted to add in chapters seen through the older brother Egan\u2019s eyes?<\/em><\/p>\n

alan:<\/strong> <\/em>I<\/span> was never tempted to add chapters from Egan\u2019s POV. He, too, is an orphan, but several years older and not at all the innocent that his younger siblings are.<\/span><\/p>\n

Bouncing back and forth between Alta Mae and Cedric, I could have two views of the same thing if needed, I could show differences in their personalities, and how they could be drawn together as fiercely loyal allies, or separated as enemies, at least temporarily, with a sense of betrayal. Having survived together on the streets since earliest childhood, they had naturally developed resentments toward each other. The hard feelings that come between them threaten their chances of reaching shared goals\u2014just another bit of conflict thrown into the mix to make the drama multi-layered, and human.<\/p>\n

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\u201cThe Tenements\u201d \u00a9 copyright 2021 Alan M. Clark. Colored pencil on gray-green paper.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

greydog:<\/strong> The novel starts out with the children believing their parents are giants composed of animated clusters of buildings. It\u2019s a powerful piece of imagery. What inspired that aspect, and how did you set out to make it believable?<\/em><\/p>\n

alan:<\/strong> <\/em>Fallen giants as those who were looked up to but have fallen from grace is a key theme explored in the novel, so why not take it literally as well, I thought.<\/p>\n

My own weird beliefs when young told me it was plausible that children of five and seven might believe such things. And the \u201cgiants\u201d thing was actually inspired by my own experience\u2014I was maybe five when my grandparents took my brother and me to a baseball game. The grownups talked up how exciting it would be to see the Giants play\u2014this was when the Giants were a New York team. I suppose I didn\u2019t think too hard about what the Giants were like until we got to Shea Stadium and I saw the high ceilings. Then I became afraid, because I knew we were truly going to be exposed to real giants. That is a hazy memory, but an indelible one.<\/p>\n

To make that believable in the novel, I show the conversation in which Egan presents the lie. Here it is from Cedric\u2019s memory (abbreviated):<\/p>\n

\u201cOur Ma were a giant prostitute,\u201d Egan told us. \u201cShe died shortly after giving birth to you, Cedric, and fell dead along Little Water Street. People took up inside her.\u201d<\/span><\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

\u201cThey lived inside her?\u201d Alta Mae asked.<\/span><\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

\u201cYes\u2014still do\u2014but you have to understand she were made of houses. We\u2019ve visited her corpse many times. It now looks like houses along a dead end.\u201d (In that day, several houses in a row under the same landlord might be considered one tenement)<\/span><\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

\u201cThe Cow Bay tenement?\u201d she asked, tilting her head this way and that.<\/span><\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

\u201cYes.\u201d<\/span><\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Alta Mae gave Egan a withering look, her lips drawn back. \u201cShe couldn\u2019t move if she were houses.\u201d<\/span><\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

\u201cLittle girl,\u201d he said with a big, loving smile, \u201cthere are more things possible than you\u2019ve known or seen in your short life.\u201d<\/span><\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

She shook her head slowly, as if unsure.<\/span><\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Egan nodded, his face open and truthful, or so it seemed.<\/span><\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Alta Mae frowned, squinted at the bright sky, then nodded to show she understood. And, so, I took his words as true.<\/span><\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Egan tells them that their father, also dead, was a drunkard and is the tenement known as the Old Brewery. Alta Mae struggles to understand how that\u2019s possible and finally works it out in her head:<\/p>\n

I remember some of how I\u2019d found my own truth in his lie. Must have been six years old when I saw the head of a figure in each of two windows set close together in the Old Brewery\u2019s main building. As they moved about, as if together, I thought of them as Papa\u2019s blinkers looking out at me. Never mind he was supposed to be dead. Two sets of five privies along the North side became Papa\u2019s toes. I pictured him wiggling them and startling folks inside doing their business. The long brick parts, set close together with a corridor between, I had as his legs. Along the west side, a couple of splintered sheds, with boards poking out this way and that became his hands and fingers. In the largest chamber, which I knew to be his gut and <\/span><\/span>chest<\/span><\/span>, stood the old abandoned brewing equipage: a giant copper tank, vats, and barrels. They had to be Papa\u2019s bread bag, sweetmeats, and giblets.<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Here\u2019s an example of one of several dreams Alta Mae has in which her parents are alive and moving around:<\/p>\n

Sometimes folks fell out of Ma. Saw a cove and his prostitute, in the midst of passionate missionary hogmagundy, fall from a window in the house of her bosom. Dreamt once that Ma and Papa paused to kiss, and a man ran up to a tap in Papa\u2019s ankle and drew off a pail of whiskey.<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

They\u2019re just the sad fancies of a girl who longed to know her parents, I suppose. Because they believed the untruth at such an early age, they cannot shake it from their imaginations later even when they know better. This is in part because, as orphans, they have a deep need to know something of their origins.<\/p>\n

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greydog:<\/em><\/strong>The narrative and the dialogue are peppered with slang. How much research did that take, and how did you get it to blend in?<\/em><\/p>\n

alan:<\/strong> <\/em>People of America in the mid 19th Century would not likely say, \u201cHow cute is that?\u201d as a rhetorical question, but they would have their own interesting expressions. The slang is much like any other elements that tells the audience they are not in Kansas anymore. Of course, getting the atmosphere of the period right helps the audience to more easily imagine the time and circumstances in the story. The trick of letting the audience in on the meaning of slang terms is making it clear through inference. Here\u2019s an example using the slang term \u201cdimber:\u201d<\/p>\n

They thought me a boy. And why shouldn\u2019t they? <\/span><\/span>I was<\/span><\/span><\/span>n\u2019t a particularly dimber girl. Dressing as I did, in what rags I could find to keep warm, woolen cap on my head, pulled down over my hair, I\u2019d hidden what prettiness I may have had.<\/span> <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

With almost a decade of writing my Jack the Ripper Victims Series, I\u2019d used in dialogue a lot of British slang, that of the sea faring, that from the streets of London\u2014the thieve\u2019s cant, among others. I knew that early New York City, much of it settled by English immigrants, had slang that borrowed a lot from those same sources. I found a glossary of the slang used in New York City in the time period of my tale. Here\u2019s what I put in the front of the book to explain (abbreviated):<\/p>\n

Many slang terms appear in this book. The reader can find most of it defined in a book published in 1849, <\/span><\/span>Vocabulum, or, The Rogue’s Lexicon<\/span><\/span>, by George W. Matsell. The book is available for free in a Project Gutenberg ebook<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

George W. Matsell was the first New York City Police Commissioner. He wrote the dictionary of American Thieves’ cant to make certain his police officers understood what was being said on the streets, as many criminals spoke to one another while assuming others would not understand their slang.<\/p>\n

History and Prejudice<\/h2>\n

greydog:<\/strong> The young characters are unreliable and flawed narrators, who must change and grow with the events in the tale. Why did you burden them with so many outrageous untruths and bigotries?<\/em><\/p>\n

alan:<\/strong> <\/em>The flaws in their understanding are important since I wanted to demonstrate the changes that came over them with time and experience in the wider world; ones that parallel many of the changes that came to America, herself, with time.<\/p>\n

Egan is eight years older than Alta Mae, and represents a father figure for his younger siblings. At first, he is with them on the streets. When an adolescent, he hooks up with the Bowery Boys as a scout and messenger. By this association, he is afforded comforts that Alta Mae and Cedric are not. He gets to sleep in a shed, while they have to brave the New York winter nights. Egan still does his best to help them get by, but he is slowly moving away from then, trying to make his life better. He lies a lot, and with the gullibility of youth and their respect for him as patriarch, Alta Mae and Cedric are easy to manipulate. He has a bit of fun with seeing what they\u2019d believe. He also fills them with the bigotries and anti-immigrant world views of the nativist Bowery Boys to whom he is in thrall.<\/p>\n

greydog: <\/span><\/strong>Speaking of bigotries, the anti-Catholic sentiments of some characters are mentioned prominently, echoing factual events such as the earlier nativist riots in America, and those later clashes featured in Asbury\u2019s 1927 book <\/span>The Gangs of New York<\/span> (filmed in 2002). Such prejudice continued well into the twentieth century\u2014did you find this a difficult issue to cover?<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

alan:<\/strong> <\/em>Not really. The anti-Catholic prejudice is perhaps less a factor in the U.S. today. I hope so. In my life, I can only remember one person ever saying anything to me directly that was disparaging about another just because of their catholic faith. Still, like other bigotries, it\u2019s basic xenophobia, and comes partly from our human need to find scapegoats for our fear and anger. Bigotry is one of the major themes explored in the novel.<\/p>\n

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greydog: <\/span><\/strong>Without giving too much away, <\/span>Fallen Giants<\/span> as a whole touches on many social justice issues with which we deal today, and the ending includes a degree of positivity. The social construct of \u2018race\u2019\u2014and its artificiality\u2014is also an important factor. What did you hope to accomplish with that?<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

alan:<\/strong> <\/em>Because I found so many parallels between the nativist gang members in the 19th century and the nationalists encouraged by the last United States presidential administration, I looked for ways to give a haunting reflection from our past of the silent and not-so-silent religious bigotries and racism so prevalent in our politics and on our streets today.<\/p>\n

In my life, I have a family member who once had a strong racist streak instilled in earliest childhood. Through life experience and extensive exposure to the race that person apposed, the racism was erased, as far as I can tell. Witnessing that was for me a very hopeful sign of the sort of change human beings are capable of. I wanted to demonstrate that transformation in characters in the novel, and to do it in an emotionally persuasive manner to project that hope. I think we desperately need that right now.<\/p>\n

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greydog:<\/strong> We\u2019ll admit that we hadn\u2019t expected that a story of the slums and oppression on the East Coast would turn into a western adventure and a suspense-filled tale of the great wagon trains, even referencing the Donner Party. What made you decide to splice these two together and form a whole?<\/em><\/p>\n

alan:<\/strong> <\/em>When I set out to write the novel, I didn\u2019t intend to write a gangs of New York\/western book. But I always allow the history of my settings to take me for a ride. Truly, the notion of it becoming a western came along when I saw that Egan, a Bowery Boy, might have been among those nativist gang members who joined up to fight the Mexicans in California. It was then that I also saw the arch of the story and its pertinence to the awful politics of our time. I\u2019d already conceived my main characters. I knew Egan wanted out from under the responsibility of taking care of his younger siblings. Of course, characters talk to a writer, and this one told me he wanted to join up for the fight, get away from New York, and start a new life. Alta Mae and Cedric told me they\u2019d follow because they were absolutely dependent on him. The vastness of the North American continent loomed in my imagination as an impenetrable wilderness to have to depict. I was seriously frightened by the prospect of writing that story, but decided I needed the adventure before I got too old to do it, and so I set out.<\/p>\n

greydog:<\/strong> Finally, as we mentioned at the start the bulk of your work is historical fiction. What fascinates you about using history as a stage?<\/em><\/p>\n

alan:<\/strong> <\/span><\/em>Part of it is that ride I just referred to. Researching a historical setting will throw many things in a writer\u2019s path, some that work, some that don\u2019t, but all are considered. While developing the plot for <\/span>Fallen Giants of the Points<\/i><\/span>, research turned up many wonderful elements to include in the novel, things I would not have thought up on my own. The discovery possible in researching history is limitless. Exploration and discovery in creative process are what makes art, whether visual art or writing, fun for me.<\/span><\/p>\n

greydog:<\/strong> Many thanks for joining us again, Alan M Clark.<\/em><\/p>\n

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FALLEN GIANTS OF THE POINTS, from IFD Publishing, is available now on Amazon. <\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n